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How long?

Unread post by flojo » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:31 pm

I went surfing this morning with and old surfing buddy and for the sake of nostalgia ,rode a regular board for the first time in months.. ( a 9'10 yater)

it was pretty small and after riding a few waves standing up, I began riding them prone just for the hell of it. While I couldnt turn it worth a crap, I was amazed at
the sense of speed and how I could drive thru the whitewater on that tank. So I began to think about making my prone boards longer.

My Patrick thomas is 43 inches, my plywood paipos are generally 48 inches or a little less.

Interested in any input you guys may have regarding board length. I am aware of the mega platter dude but those are really wide and thick and from the photos
it looks like he usually surfs point type breaks with channels for paddle out.

Just looking to hear from someone who may have experimented with more than the 40 to 52 inch range. Curious about materials used, fins or no fins and other design particulars-


thanks for any info,
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Re: How long?

Unread post by Pes78 » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:52 pm

Flojo

I'm in the process now of doing another board. It was supposed to be a kneeboard but I over shaped it. I did have a 4'11 at one point and I really like how it reduced the drag from my legs. Not sure why I sold it. Well I know why, it was to fund another board. Anyway this will be the same size as that one all I'm doing is cutting 3" off the nose and an 1" off the tail. Will need to refoil the nose a bit. I'll post some pics later this week. I'll be doing the tweeking tomorrow.

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Re: How long?

Unread post by flojo » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:37 am

Thanks! look forward to the pics...

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Re: How long?

Unread post by flojo » Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:50 am

What do you use for a blank?

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Unread post by Uncle Grumpy » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:34 am

My favorite small wave board is still this 5'5" X 15.5" stick and I have a couple more in the 5' range. I prefer the longer boards, especially in smaller surf.

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Unread post by Pes78 » Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:15 pm

I used a 7'3" A from is blanks and it's stringerless.

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Unread post by flojo » Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:55 pm

Hey Uncle, nice board. What size and type of wood stock did you use?

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Unread post by jbw4600 » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:01 pm

I have always wondered how long you have to go to get your legs out of the water. If I lift my legs out the water on my 4' 2" foam board, the nose will come up and the tail will sink into the water and the will slow down almost to stop. I know that Skiff can lift his legs out the water on his 6'2" 24" boards. I wonder how much shorter you can go and still keep your legs out of the water?

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Unread post by Uncle Grumpy » Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:38 pm

this board was made from 1x paulownia
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this one is also paulownia
5' X 18"
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this one is plywood
5' X 18"
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Unread post by rodndtube » Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:13 pm

jbw4600 wrote:I have always wondered how long you have to go to get your legs out of the water. If I lift my legs out the water on my 4' 2" foam board, the nose will come up and the tail will sink into the water and the will slow down almost to stop. I know that Skiff can lift his legs out the water on his 6'2" 24" boards. I wonder how much shorter you can go and still keep your legs out of the water?
My 4'2" (50 inches) x 20 to 20.5 wide boards do fine with my legs up and out of the water on waves with any spunk. I also tend to ride forward on the board so that may also be a factor of not sinking the rear of the board. Extending the legs & swim fins into the wave can effect my ride in two ways, 1) create drag or 2) increase planning surface and speed on the wave especially in flat sections of the wave (but I usually do that when riding the whitewater in towards the shore).
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Unread post by Pes78 » Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:36 pm

Here are some pics. The place I shape out of made an offer I can't refuse so I'll be glassing it as well, It's a poly blank glassed with epoxy.
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Re: How long?

Unread post by flojo » Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:38 pm

Looks nice...dimensions? Are you putting fins on it?
Would like to see photos after glassing..

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Unread post by bgreen » Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:17 pm

Flojo,

The three people I know who have ridden longer boards prone are: Richard Safady, Robert Moynier and Proneman Roger Kelly.
There are paipo interviews with Robert & Richard.

I rode one of Tom Wegner's boards longer boards prone and felt I had to move around a lot and lost the sense of turning off the rear corner. I might change my mind on this if I were to ride one today, this was a few years ago. An advantage of the longer boards is that you don't need flippers. I don't think the longer boards are suited to really hollow, beachbreaks, but again I could be wrong.

The sensation of fast planning can be obtained on shorter boards.

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Re: How long?

Unread post by Pes78 » Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:36 am

4'11" 22.5 2.75 out at the rails and 2.5 in the middle. Flat to vee quad fin.

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Unread post by jbw4600 » Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:30 pm

Rod, On my boards I keep my feet out the water most of the time and ride forward also. But when wave slows down to a crawl my feet will go into the water. What I am wondering about is how low you have to go to able to keep your knees bent at 90 degrees ALL the time like you see in mat riders or the megaprone boards. On our "medium" length boards I think our legs come out the water when the boards planes and rides up on top of the water. There is a photo of someone riding one of Skiff's boards and he on a wave with his knees bent at 90 degrees.

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Unread post by rodndtube » Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:38 pm

jbw4600 wrote:Rod, On my boards I keep my feet out the water most of the time and ride forward also. But when wave slows down to a crawl my feet will go into the water. What I am wondering about is how low you have to go to able to keep your knees bent at 90 degrees ALL the time like you see in mat riders or the megaprone boards. On our "medium" length boards I think our legs come out the water when the boards planes and rides up on top of the water. There is a photo of someone riding one of Skiff's boards and he on a wave with his knees bent at 90 degrees.
That I am not sure of. Most of by body instinctively does what it does without thinking much these days. Yes, sometimes I will find my legs/fins dragging for some reason, lift them up and off I go. The swim fins and legs in many instances may be a turning aid or a method of slowing down on the face of the wave for better positioning when a turn is not the way to go (e.g., a rock!), but at other times the legs and swim fins extend for extra push (we become a longboard, the board and my legs & fins).

It is only on sluggish or really flat sections of a wave where the shorter, narrower, thinner boards bog down. On FL waves, I don't even try to ride my S&S Checkered RPM Austin boards (narrower, thinner); instead the baseline Austin or Big Green Ashton is the board of choice (thicker, wider, fuller profile from stringer to rail)... unless it is head plus.
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