my first paipo 44

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Re: my first paipo 44

Unread post by Nels » Fri May 18, 2018 5:05 pm

:shock: Beautiful fins and I appreciate the craftsmanship (used to work in an aerospace metal spinning and sheet metal business)...but they look frigging deadly! Just looking at those blades make my nuts crawl up the back of my throat...

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Re: my first paipo 44

Unread post by bgreen » Sat May 19, 2018 7:42 am

Nels,

Trranslated into Spanish you're post will make interesting reading. They do look lethal.

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Re: my first paipo 44

Unread post by CHRISPI » Sat May 19, 2018 8:32 am

Cross drill the fins layer 6 oz and epoxy filler and shape whatever foil profile finish with 6oz cloth much safer

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Re: my first paipo 44

Unread post by zensuni » Sun May 20, 2018 5:03 am

These aluminium fins definitely look like knifes to me, I hope I won't be in your way at the lineup :D

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Re: my first paipo 44

Unread post by GeoffreyLevens » Sun May 20, 2018 11:11 am

zensuni wrote:These aluminium fins definitely look like knifes to me, I hope I won't be in your way at the lineup :D
You won't be, no matter what. Even if you are you won't be heh-heh-heh :evil:

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Re: my first paipo 44

Unread post by asier esnal » Sun May 20, 2018 3:57 pm

You have managed to scare me, I did not see it so dangerous but when more than 5 people tell me the same thing, it is better to rethink and look from another point of view

my fins have 3mm radius much fatter than the fins that are sold, the ones bought have really sharp edges, especially the part rasera, mine not
since I do not have a hydrodynamic profile, it is harder for water to do the coanda effect, the fins enter before lost, before they snap

I am a great admirer of the work of Roy Stuart and his fins printed in 3d, so I have encouraged to simulate this idea in my aluminum sheet, including my ideas
I've done a lot of simulations, the computer is suffering a lot with so much calculation, but I already have a significant breakthrough and I think it's worth making

I pass a photo that includes the plane of the fins and a photo of the hydrodynamic studies that I am doing. I have problems with the numerical results of the tests, I do not get the mathematical formulas right, but if I have good graphics with the turbulence they generate, something is something
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Re: my first paipo 44

Unread post by zensuni » Mon May 21, 2018 2:25 am

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it is going to be a paipo for fast waves, waves from 1m to 2.5m but there is a brutal massification of surfers and bodyboard so it has to have enough volume to compete in the capture of waves
From my short experience, for stand up surfing, the more volume there is, the easier it is to catch waves, but that is not necessarily true with prone boards since you have to deal with your legs dragging in the water.
To compete with surfboards in terms of catching waves early, I think the most important is :
- the swim fins you use (Dafin swim fins are great for that)
- the ability you have to paddle hard with your legs
- the technic ! Push the paipo forward and swim, trying to be as flat as possible, just like you and the paipo were a single long board, then when you feel the wave catching you you can jump on the board, at this point the board will glide on the water surface and the volume won't help (only the surface will).

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Re: my first paipo 44

Unread post by asier esnal » Tue May 22, 2018 1:27 pm

Thank you very much, you have given me ideas that I had not thought about, I will keep them in mind.

I am already moving slowly with the paipos, I do not have too much free time

At night I do not usually sleep too much, and my head torments me

Here I present a few ideas of keels, with new graphics that I have learned to make alive the tutorials of youtube
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Unread post by nomastomas » Tue May 22, 2018 1:32 pm

zensuni wrote:on
it is going to be a paipo for fast waves, waves from 1m to 2.5m but there is a brutal massification of surfers and bodyboard so it has to have enough volume to compete in the capture of waves
From my short experience, for stand up surfing, the more volume there is, the easier it is to catch waves, but that is not necessarily true with prone boards since you have to deal with your legs dragging in the water.
To compete with surfboards in terms of catching waves early, I think the most important is :
- the swim fins you use (Dafin swim fins are great for that)
- the ability you have to paddle hard with your legs
- the technic ! Push the paipo forward and swim, trying to be as flat as possible, just like you and the paipo were a single long board, then when you feel the wave catching you you can jump on the board, at this point the board will glide on the water surface and the volume won't help (only the surface will).
YES! I would only add that kicking helps to propel us but, just as importantly, it lifts the lower body into a better planing position. Also, the prone rider is "caught" by the wave, and paddles only to reach a position where being caught by the wave is inevitable. This position is where the wave is cresting or soon to be cresting. To successfully compete for waves, you must sit deeper than anyone else, and learn to turn-and-go no matter how steep the wave. The late take-off is our bread-and-butter, embrace it!
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Re: my first paipo 44

Unread post by GeoffreyLevens » Tue May 22, 2018 2:40 pm

nomastomas wrote:The late take-off is our bread-and-butter, embrace it!
Dare I say it? Oh what the heck...bread and butter and all you need to add is jam!

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Unread post by nomastomas » Tue May 22, 2018 3:14 pm

The "jam" is the higher wave-count!!
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Re: my first paipo 44

Unread post by asier esnal » Tue May 22, 2018 3:27 pm

I ride a mountain bike very often, not as much as I would like, lack of time. I do not compete, but if I do my kilometers, I will have to learn to apply the strength of my legs to the fins.

I have surfed for many years and I have often met people in bodyboard. It is amazing how fast vertical super waves and unbearable pipes go down to my level of surfing. but they seemed to enjoy while we with the tables we could only look at them with astonished face. little by little I will go learning, I am not an excessively talented person but if I fit easily

I hope to finish the paipos this week maybe the first days of next week, I really want to try them.

I will tell you the adventures and I will post pictures, I want to thank you for this support.

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Unread post by bgreen » Tue May 22, 2018 3:45 pm

To jam I'd add - confiture de cerises noire. I wish I'd bought more.

My first surf on a paipo was a dispiriting experience. With no previous experience with swim fins/flippers my legs tired quickly, I caught few waves and they closed out. It took me a few surfs before I started to get the right waves and reconfigure my thinking. I had no background in prone surfing so it was all very new. To add to the situation my friends didn't get at all why I was riding a prone board, even after my back improved.

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Unread post by rodndtube » Tue May 22, 2018 4:14 pm

nomastomas wrote: YES! I would only add that kicking helps to propel us but, just as importantly, it lifts the lower body into a better planing position. Also, the prone rider is "caught" by the wave, and paddles only to reach a position where being caught by the wave is inevitable. This position is where the wave is cresting or soon to be cresting. To successfully compete for waves, you must sit deeper than anyone else, and learn to turn-and-go no matter how steep the wave. The late take-off is our bread-and-butter, embrace it!
Amen on that, Nomas. I do need to use a thicker, full-railed board on many of the East Coast waves for catchability at least until the size kicks up. Today and yesterday, in Cape Hatteras, I often used the tail dip method of getting into our little curls--when from a sitting position you sink the tail of the board into the water and then use the buoyant trust to enter the wave. This would be less feasible on the thinner boards I ride in reefy/tropical/longer period waves. But in almost all cases the late-takeoff is the name of the game.
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Re: my first paipo 44

Unread post by zensuni » Wed May 23, 2018 2:35 am

I have never tried a tick, buoyant paipo, but I guess the take off technic I described earlier (to swim pushing the board in front of you) wouldn't work in this case. I tried sometimes this technic on a bodyboard, it didn't work well. It is interresting to see the differences between tick and buoyant boards like bodyboards and thin boards with neutral buoyancy. The take of is different, but also the ride, for instance the "superman" stance doesn't work on a bodyboard.

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Re: my first paipo 44

Unread post by Nels » Wed May 23, 2018 9:54 am

for instance the "superman" stance doesn't work on a bodyboard.
Too true. If by "superman stance" you mean arms outstretched in front...I must confess this is something I really enjoy. Throughout my life I have had occasional surfing dreams where it's a mix of surfing and flying and even in my most hardcore standup days the dreams were really more like Superman flying or I suppose in more modern terms the view was like a GoPro forward mounted on the nose of a board.

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Re: my first paipo 44

Unread post by asier esnal » Mon May 28, 2018 1:10 pm

This poem started with the idea of a paipo 44. It is curious how the design has been developed thanks to your help. without you to make those paipos would be impossible you have helped me a lot, thank you very much
Made with fiber and epoxy eps
Blue 46.5 inches for flabby waves.
The 51-inch garnet is a cut for waves with strength.
Keels made of 3mm aluminum inspired by aircraft stabilizers
The paint finish leaves a little to be desired. I have to improve. Make me with a computer, compressor, paint gun ... very expensive for my economy.
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Re: my first paipo 44

Unread post by zensuni » Mon May 28, 2018 3:25 pm

Very nice boards, I like the blue one :)
But I keep thinking that you should replace these aluminium fins by regular fins, much less dangerous.
Maybe even try with no fins at all, just to see how it works ?

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Re: my first paipo 44

Unread post by asier esnal » Mon May 28, 2018 3:56 pm

One question I will use leahs from the ankle to the table. what lake and diameter do you recommend 6?

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Re: my first paipo 44

Unread post by bgreen » Mon May 28, 2018 5:01 pm

I much prefer a bicep leash with the plug about 8- 10" down from the nose.

A shot from the tail down to the nose will show off the rocker better. They look like lethal weapons. Looking forward to hearing how they go.

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