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Unread post by krusher74 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:32 am

They are the best selling board in the world! "the magic" of them is that the are the cheapest board you can buy coming straight out of china. They unfortunately fill the needs of the average cheap kook starting out in the sport. They are the plastic bag/single use water bottle of the surf industry. They also sell out of costco and had at one time a free replacement scheme and at one time jamie obrien was taking them to pipe snapping them and going back to costco for another. :(

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Unread post by Nels » Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:35 am

They are the best selling board in the world! "the magic" of them is that the are the cheapest board you can buy coming straight out of china. They unfortunately fill the needs of the average cheap kook starting out in the sport. They are the plastic bag/single use water bottle of the surf industry. They also sell out of costco and had at one time a free replacement scheme and at one time jamie obrien was taking them to pipe snapping them and going back to costco for another. :(
That pretty much sums up everything I detest about society at large...and given they are the best selling boards in the world and I see as many of them with surfers as I do other boards (completely supplanting bodyboards in SoCal)...do the math. Getting hard not to detest "surfing". I don't know what things are like in other surfing countries any more, but in Southern California there are just so many people on boards now it really isn't funny. You see these Costco boards on cars, the side of the road as people get ready, and in the water nearly everywhere. I was stuck in northbound traffic for about 40 minutes from Santa Monica to Malibu that August 24 Hurricane Marie swell 3-4 years ago, right next to a car with a girl who had a Wavestorm on top...like it was the south swell of a generation and she was going to paddle that pig out somewhere, Stupid, and scary, and stupid.

And worse, up my way at least, Zuma to say Rincon with side trips "further north", for the past three or four years I've seen Wavestorms show up with solid recreational surfers, people who can actually surf on short or long boards. They get a Wavestorm for the ubiquitous friends or family who want to "surf", and sometimes the crowd situation is so nuts they just take their thrasher Wavestorm out so they can still get wet and ride a few without the struggle and worry of their more performance-oriented surfcraft. You can almost see a "progression"...pretty soon rather than have a "good" board that needs babysitting they just bring the Wavestorm when the surf is junk. I suspect a lot of new surfers see no reason to progress off a Wavestorm; surfing isn't as big a thing to them as it was to many from earlier times.

I think these boards might literally be changing the surfing culture, if not now, in the coming years. Somebody around here, maybe Jon from Cornwall who has been quiet for a long time, or maybe Eff, mentioned "lowering the bar", and I think Wavestorms are doing just that for standup surfing. Sort of like those "governors" that limit top speed in race cars. If it cools the insane competitiveness in the troubled waters that might actually be a good thing, but like any tool, it depends on who uses it...

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Unread post by Uncle Grumpy » Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:52 pm

In 2016 alone, Costco sold 100,000 of those abominations.
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Unread post by nomastomas » Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:40 pm

Just curious Uncle G...do you feel the same way about the the foam paipo a.k.a. Morey Boogie Board?
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nomastomas wrote:Just curious Uncle G...do you feel the same way about the the foam paipo a.k.a. Morey Boogie Board?
The boogie/bodyboard industry have their own wave storm, its the sub $50 bought by the inlanders one week a year beach holiday for the the kids.

Here are 600 snapped one left on just a few southern English beaches this summer :(
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Unread post by GeoffreyLevens » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:16 am

krusher74 wrote:The boogie/bodyboard industry have their own wave storm, its the sub $50 bought by the inlanders one week a year beach holiday for the the kids.

Here are 600 snapped one left on just a few southern English beaches this summer :(
That certainly highlights the enviro disaster that is surfing except for wood boards and body surfing... Three toots for roots!

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Unread post by Uncle Grumpy » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:22 am

nomastomas wrote:Just curious Uncle G...do you feel the same way about the the foam paipo a.k.a. Morey Boogie Board?
No.
Only those shitty ones made from really cheap EPS like the ones Krusher mentioned.

FWIW I love Tom Morey and his creations..
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Unread post by GeoffreyLevens » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:31 am

To amend my post above, I think Morey's creation of the bb is one of the most brilliant ideas in surfing and have greatly enjoyed riding them. Materials is the problem. Once they die, and everything dies, what happens to it. Also, what resources are used to create it in the first place. We now have so many people on the planet, and we 1st worlders are sucking up resources and spewing waste at such a ferocious rate, that those issues need to be front and center always.

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Unread post by rodndtube » Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:55 pm

My boards never die. I still have my original paipo board from 50 years ago, created from a broken Holmsey Sidewinder during a ride on a 4 ft wave at Bridges, Aguadilla, Puerto Rico. I've sold a couple of my former boards over the years, one is with a third owner and continues to live on and ridden regularly.
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Unread post by krusher74 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:56 pm

GeoffreyLevens wrote:To amend my post above, I think Morey's creation of the bb is one of the most brilliant ideas in surfing and have greatly enjoyed riding them. Materials is the problem. Once they die, and everything dies, what happens to it. Also, what resources are used to create it in the first place. We now have so many people on the planet, and we 1st worlders are sucking up resources and spewing waste at such a ferocious rate, that those issues need to be front and center always.
The problem is we want what we don't need :(

i'n 5 years i think i have nailed down my paipo design to something i think i could ride for the rest of my days, as I feel the weakest link now is my skill, the board will do what ever I want with out and fight back. So I think now if i constructed one from light enough paulowina (and dont get fat) i could probably see out my surfing days on it. :?

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Unread post by GeoffreyLevens » Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:04 pm

krusher74 wrote:i'n 5 years i think i have nailed down my paipo design to something i think i could ride for the rest of my days, as I feel the weakest link now is my skill, the board will do what ever I want with out and fight back. So I think now if i constructed one from light enough paulowina (and dont get fat) i could probably see out my surfing days on it. :?
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Unread post by Nels » Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:28 am

i'n 5 years i think i have nailed down my paipo design to something i think i could ride for the rest of my days, as I feel the weakest link now is my skill, the board will do what ever I want with out and fight back. So I think now if i constructed one from light enough paulowina (and dont get fat) i could probably see out my surfing days on it.
It's funny how things go as years turn to decades. Technology (including design) changes, improves. Knowledge and understanding and experience improve things. Society makes inroads...travel becomes easier, new places open up, then new places fill. Old places go from full to forking insanity. If you spend enough time in an activity, eventually it becomes as much mental as physical. People come and go. Designs come and go and come again. Everything is a double-edged sword. There should come a time of reckoning, where we find ourselves examining just what the hell we're doing here, if it's still worth the sacrifices, if it's worth what we have sacrificed...and why we're doing it still right now. Things happen in life, it may not always be about fitness or commitment...

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Unread post by GeoffreyLevens » Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:46 am

Nels wrote:Don't forget to Feed Your Head...
That for sure inclose 2nd place. But top of the list....feed your heart!

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Unread post by nomastomas » Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:16 am

Nels wrote:
i'n 5 years i think i have nailed down my paipo design to something i think i could ride for the rest of my days, as I feel the weakest link now is my skill, the board will do what ever I want with out and fight back. So I think now if i constructed one from light enough paulowina (and dont get fat) i could probably see out my surfing days on it.
It's funny how things go as years turn to decades. Technology (including design) changes, improves. Knowledge and understanding and experience improve things. Society makes inroads...travel becomes easier, new places open up, then new places fill. Old places go from full to forking insanity. If you spend enough time in an activity, eventually it becomes as much mental as physical. People come and go. Designs come and go and come again. Everything is a double-edged sword. There should come a time of reckoning, where we find ourselves examining just what the hell we're doing here, if it's still worth the sacrifices, if it's worth what we have sacrificed...and why we're doing it still right now. Things happen in life, it may not always be about fitness or commitment...

Don't forget to Feed Your Head...
For me, the one constant in life is the feeling that comes from being in the ocean. Everything else, family, friends, jobs, hobbies, interests, likes, dislikes, bikes, surfboards, is transitory. The feeling that comes from being in the ocean never changes. That feeling is purely right-brain, non-verbal and impossible to articulate. It re-charges my soul, no matter rough or gentle, or how warm or cold. And, having waves to ride is just the frosting on the cake. So, while I may passionately debate the virtues of this or that design, this or that material or construction technique, or complain about the wave size or the crowd size, I think that these things are secondary to the act of just being in the ocean.
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Unread post by kage » Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:22 pm

For me, the one constant in life is the feeling that comes from being in the ocean. Everything else, family, friends, jobs, hobbies, interests, likes, dislikes, bikes, surfboards, is transitory. The feeling that comes from being in the ocean never changes. That feeling is purely right-brain, non-verbal and impossible to articulate. It re-charges my soul, no matter rough or gentle, or how warm or cold. And, having waves to ride is just the frosting on the cake. So, while I may passionately debate the virtues of this or that design, this or that material or construction technique, or complain about the wave size or the crowd size, I think that these things are secondary to the act of just being in the ocean.
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Unread post by belly rider » Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:50 am

Yup the above sound like wise words from Confucius
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Unread post by Nels » Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:32 pm

For me, the one constant in life is the feeling that comes from being in the ocean. Everything else, family, friends, jobs, hobbies, interests, likes, dislikes, bikes, surfboards, is transitory.
It's all pretty much transitory, I suppose. I would order that list like so: the people (family and friends) and the ocean. If I were to nitpick myself at this stage I might say People and Nature. Or People and Water? Not People In Water though, all you guys excepted. When I'm not in the ocean I'm thinking about it, never more so than when I'm around fresh water or desert dryness, both of which I enjoy, maybe some kind of yin/yang thing. When I find myself stuck in those horrible dry situations like work or a doctor's office - both of which I try to avoid like the plague - then my animal-brain reverts to the thought that as long as there is decent water out there for somebody to enjoy, I'm good.

Breaking it down to the essentials now eliminates almost all the toys for me. A good wetsuit and a decent pair of fins are the essentials, everything else is gravy. Barring that or tolerable conditions to go out in, I need to at least breathe it in.

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Unread post by Nels » Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:40 pm

Almost ready to test this monster. It comes chest-high on me. Should be interesting to paddle out. So here's the latest...

Took the advice and cut out deck skin from the donor part of the board. Tried to use a putty knife to separate it but that didn't work. In the end I used the piece of bottom skin as a template and cut it with a box cutter, and to my surprise it peeled right up slick as snot.
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Used epoxy resin to reattach the loose bottom skin. Took overnight to adhere but seems solid.
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Three piece skin on the cut, precision weight system to hold it down.
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After final trim of the excess skin on the back.
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Unread post by GeoffreyLevens » Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:46 pm

That's my kind of precision weight system! Works great.

Those are some mighty boxy rails on that beast. Interesting to see how it rides. I suspect fins on it will be mandatory.

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Unread post by Nels » Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:47 pm

Last bit...skin condition just as it was when I fetched it up out of the trash can at Zuma (the circles come from the cans weighing it down when I resined it on though).
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Deck-down view...notice the various curves all over the board. You can't even see the weird dents on the bottom skin. One of the rails practically curves in and out. I laugh when I think about reading that various pro surfers can feel thickness variations of less than a quarter of an inch. In the Wavestorm world and especially in the Wavestorm Frankenstein world I suspect anything goes. And probably not well...
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