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Re: paulownia + polyester+ fiberglass: rocker and flex

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:40 pm
by asier esnal
I have read this link carefully, I have drawn the paipo I had thought to 19. I prefer 18 to work better in vertical wind waves ,,, so I modified the plan to this measure, has the previous paipo's construction and a pod of Fiberglass reinforcement since I'm going to get into waves of 2m and I do not want it to split

he leído atentamente este enlace, he dibujado el paipo que tenia pensado a 19. prefiero de 18 funcionara mejor en olas de viento, verticales,,, asi que he modificado el plano a esta medida, tiene la cosntruccion del paipo anterior y un pod de refuerzo de fibra de vidrio ya que voy a entrar en olas de 2m y no quiero que parta

http://mypaipoboards.org/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=670

Re: paulownia + polyester+ fiberglass: rocker and flex

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:21 am
by zensuni
asier esnal wrote: I do not like the paipos without fins, nor the bodyboard, I hate the lateral displacements and skids
The side slipping you described might be due to the board being quite large. If you try a finless board that is narrower and longer you will see that the inside rail actually behaves like a fin as long as you slightly lean your body inside, it doesnt side slip unless you decide to (which is fun sometimes).

Having said that, I understand that fins help a lot when waves get bigger, as you can really rely on them.

Re: paulownia + polyester+ fiberglass: rocker and flex

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:30 am
by rodndtube
Escribe en español and I will give it a try, "to get the rocker and that flex I have to cut the wood in contraction direction to the feed, if I do not give fiberglass part by just touching it", but I understood it as needing fiberglass to maintain the rocker.

Re: paulownia + polyester+ fiberglass: rocker and flex

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:30 am
by asier esnal
zensuni wrote:
asier esnal wrote: I do not like the paipos without fins, nor the bodyboard, I hate the lateral displacements and skids
The side slipping you described might be due to the board being quite large. If you try a finless board that is narrower and longer you will see that the inside rail actually behaves like a fin as long as you slightly lean your body inside, it doesnt side slip unless you decide to (which is fun sometimes).

Having said that, I understand that fins help a lot when waves get bigger, as you can really rely on them.
I have not had time to try the last paipo of 18 width that I have made. but what measures do you recommend me to go without fins, if board of paulownia is 18mm thick = 0.7in?
my measurements are 1.77m high and 75kg weight = 69.6in, high and 165lb

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no he tenido tiempo de probar la última tabla de 18 de ancho que he hecho. pero que medidas me recomiendas para ir sin fin, si el tablero de paulownia es de 18mm de espesor=0.7in ?
mis medidas son 1.77m de alto y peso 75kg = 69,6 in, de alto y 165 lb

Re: paulownia + polyester+ fiberglass: rocker and flex

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:46 am
by zensuni
asier esnal wrote:
I have not had time to try the last paipo of 18 width that I have made. but what measures do you recommend me to go without fins, if board of paulownia is 18mm thick = 0.7in?
my measurements are 1.77m high and 75kg weight = 69.6in, high and 165lb

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no he tenido tiempo de probar la última tabla de 18 de ancho que he hecho. pero que medidas me recomiendas para ir sin fin, si el tablero de paulownia es de 18mm de espesor=0.7in ?
mis medidas son 1.77m de alto y peso 75kg = 69,6 in, de alto y 165 lb
I am 1,66m, my board is a 1cm tick varnished plywood board, no rocker, flat bottom, 120x40cm. I surf small to medium size waves, so far it works pretty good, very easy to catch waves, even the small ones. It is faster than a bodyboard, especially in longboard type waves, and not too much side slipping. I have had some fun micro barrels with that board. It is basically just a flat planing surface, but it fits well with the kind of waves I am confortable to surf.
In this video I use it: https://youtu.be/EVWwCZgZnzc

I have never tried a paipo board with fins, but I did try an HPD paipo, the same one than this photo:
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This is the opposite of my board, it is very wide, definitely not flat (spoon shape), relatively short, I have never really understood how to hold a line with it (a lot of side slipping !). Maybe it just doesn't fit to the french beach breacks waves :D

Checkout my youtube channel, no great surf to watch, but you can see the different shapes I tried
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9mcJ4 ... subscriber

Re: paulownia + polyester+ fiberglass: rocker and flex

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:51 am
by GeoffreyLevens
"I did try an HPD paipo..."

Never an HPD but made same outline out of plywood once. Seemed to me that the board required huge body position shifts so that my hip was always almost right on top of one rail or the other and hand on airborne rail used to drive the weighted rail into the wave face. That way, the thin edge could act as a fin but there was a heck of a lot of board up in the air most of the time. My thought at the time was this would be what Dorothy felt like had she tried to ride the barn door in the tornado on her way to Oz. Since the waves I first tried it in were 6-8 foot face, dredging sand barrels at local beach break, my thoughts weren't that coherent though, more like, "GLUB-GLUB Dorothy! Cough Gack Oz!"

Re: paulownia + polyester+ fiberglass: rocker and flex

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:05 pm
by zensuni
GeoffreyLevens wrote:"I did try an HPD paipo..."

Never an HPD but made same outline out of plywood once. Seemed to me that the board required huge body position shifts so that my hip was always almost right on top of one rail or the other and hand on airborne rail used to drive the weighted rail into the wave face. That way, the thin edge could act as a fin but there was a heck of a lot of board up in the air most of the time. My thought at the time was this would be what Dorothy felt like had she tried to ride the barn door in the tornado on her way to Oz. Since the waves I first tried it in were 6-8 foot face, dredging sand barrels at local beach break, my thoughts weren't that coherent though, more like, "GLUB-GLUB Dorothy! Cough Gack Oz!"
:lol:

Re: paulownia + polyester+ fiberglass: rocker and flex

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:36 pm
by asier esnal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onScB4vj70I

Now I understand, we are looking for very different waves. Give me some waves like the ones in this video with few people and I am the happiest man in the world, as you can see they are usually always moved by the wind, they have a lot of thrust and a lot of water. , I am very happy in these days of waves

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ahora entiendo, estamos buscando olas muy diferentes.dame unas olas como las de este video con poca gente y soy el hombre mas feliz del mundo, cómo ves la solas siempre suelen estar algo movidas por el viento, tienen mucho empuje y mucha masa de agua, soy muy feliz en estos días de olas

Re: paulownia + polyester+ fiberglass: rocker and flex

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:22 pm
by rodndtube
Many different waves out there and many different people riding their paipo boards on them, whether it is a local wave break that a person may not venture far from or a faraway wave that is traveled to, and everything in-between. Young 15 year olds to older 75+ year olds, super fit and healthy and sluggish and chunky and everything in-between. Cold water and hot water, heavy rubber and virtually skinless, and everything in-between. Thin finless ply to thick super multi-finned EPS glassed boards, and a lot in-between (one more refrain!). And many different riding styles.

Re: paulownia + polyester+ fiberglass: rocker and flex

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:04 pm
by bgreen
18-20" is ok.

The no rocker issue - some rocker helps but the boards flex is an aspect. I have a fibreglass board with no rocker and it nosedives once the wave gets hollow.

Donostia - I've been there 4 times but never surfed there. That footage shows a variety of waves. The bodyboarder's wave would be better suited for a bellyboard. The fuller, slower/closeout waves would be harder on a ply board.

Re: paulownia + polyester+ fiberglass: rocker and flex

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:04 pm
by zensuni
Nice waves in the video !
Now I understand why you need some rocker.
Big choppy and windy waves, probably not the ideal conditions for a flat plywood finless board indeed...
A surfmat might be fun in these conditions, but if you don't like side slipping, forget it :lol:
These waves remind me this vintage paipo footage where some guys have epic rides on paipos:
https://vimeo.com/9742493

Re: paulownia + polyester+ fiberglass: rocker and flex

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:00 pm
by asier esnal
zensuni wrote:Nice waves in the video !
Now I understand why you need some rocker.
Big choppy and windy waves, probably not the ideal conditions for a flat plywood finless board indeed...
A surfmat might be fun in these conditions, but if you don't like side slipping, forget it :lol:
These waves remind me this vintage paipo footage where some guys have epic rides on paipos:
https://vimeo.com/9742493
I saw that video time ago and it was revealing, actually I want to do that. I sell surfing on those waves, with gums tables around 8 or 9 feet. by circumstances of life I went to live in a town a few kilometers, I consider surfing with the paipo as it gives me great mobility, I charge it on the motorcycle and go to the water,

  I have found the meaning of my surf, really now I do not want to enter the water with a surfboard, but I aim to return to those waves, lying down and with fins on my feet, start to push myself and notice the speed pure and simple speed. that is the objective and my search

these are 2 board that I am shaping, blue is for waves of considerable size, no big waves, that is for really crazy friends but for waves of 2 to 3m

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vi ese video hace tiempo y fue revelador, realmente yo quiero hacer eso. vendo de hacer surf en esas olas, con gums tablas en torno a 8 o 9 pies. por circunstancias de la vida me fui a vivir a un pueblo a pocos kilometros, me plantee surfear con el paipo ya que me aporta una gran movilidad, lo cargo en la moto y voy al agua ,

he encontrado el sentido de mi surf, realmente ahora no quiero entrar al agua con tabla de surf, pero tengo como objetivo volver a esas olas, tumbado y con aletas en los pies, empezar a impulsarme y notar la velocidad pura y simple velocidad. ese es el objetivo y mi búsqueda

estas son 2 board que las shapeado yo, la azul es para olas de tamaño considerable, no big waves, eso ya es para amigos realmente locos pero si para olas de 2 a 3m

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Re: paulownia + polyester+ fiberglass: rocker and flex

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:42 pm
by zensuni
Nice boards, interresting fins setup, 2 parralels longboard fins ?

Re: paulownia + polyester+ fiberglass: rocker and flex

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:28 pm
by asier esnal
You said it right, there are 2 parallel longboard fins. One of the big problems of the boards with a single fins is the width of the board in tail to 12 inches, if you want to have good grip, the tail has to be 14, 14.5 as much width, from there onwards the fin with the rail of the board loses effectiveness, of there are put keels so big in some longboard, with this system of fins, this problem disappears, gives a touch to the board between singelfin and twinfin that I adore

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lo has dicho bien, son 2 fins paralelas de longboard. uno de los grandes problemas de las tablas con un solo fin es el ancho de la tabla en tail a 12 pulgadas, si quieres tener buen agarre, el tail tiene que ser de 14, 14.5 como mucho de ancho, de hay en adelante la quilla con el rail de la tabla pierde efectividad, de hay poner quillas tan grandes en algunos longboard, con este sistema de fins, este problema desaparece, da un tacto al board entre singelfin y twinfin que adoro

Re: paulownia + polyester+ fiberglass: rocker and flex

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:23 am
by GeoffreyLevens
zensuni wrote:A surfmat might be fun in these conditions, but if you don't like side slipping, forget it
In my experience, 1-2 foot mushy wind waves to 6+ ft steep but not barrels, to 4-5 foot tubes, with practice and proper inflation for the waves, side slipping is almost completely optional on a modern surfmat. Had to be said... ;)

Re: paulownia + polyester+ fiberglass: rocker and flex

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:17 pm
by Uncle Grumpy
GeoffreyLevens wrote:
zensuni wrote:A surfmat might be fun in these conditions, but if you don't like side slipping, forget it
In my experience, 1-2 foot mushy wind waves to 6+ ft steep but not barrels, to 4-5 foot tubes, with practice and proper inflation for the waves, side slipping is almost completely optional on a modern surfmat. Had to be said... ;)
Practice is the thing.
IMO Finless craft of most types require more patience and water time before their benefits become worth it.

Re: paulownia + polyester+ fiberglass: rocker and flex

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:44 pm
by asier esnal
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Re: paulownia + polyester+ fiberglass: rocker and flex

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:57 pm
by bgreen
I don't reckon you can go past: http://www.surfmats.com/

Paul posts anywhere

Re: paulownia + polyester+ fiberglass: rocker and flex

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:22 pm
by asier esnal
bgreen wrote:I don't reckon you can go past: http://www.surfmats.com/

Paul posts anywhere
forgive for the inconvenience, surf mat has been a fleeting idea, I prefer the null flotation of wooden paipos. I can not assume the price you've given me, I love making my toys and try them in the water, for me it's the most fun of all

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perdonar por las molestias, surf mat ha sido una idea fugaz, prefiero la nula flotación de los paipos de madera. no puedo asumir el precio que me has pasado, me apasiona hacer mis juguetes y probarlos en el agua, para mi es lo mas divertido de todo

Re: paulownia + polyester+ fiberglass: rocker and flex

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:34 pm
by rodndtube
Dale uno con Graeme de GB. https://customsurfmats.com/ y https://www.matsurfers.com/

Give Grame a call. He will also tell you that low inflation works much better than "inflated."