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Re: Can't help myself

Unread post by nomastomas » Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:06 am

Yes...the process is more Zen/meditative than a race.
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Unread post by Pes78 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:16 am

Here's what I came up with today, I shaped the board in my head for two weeks while waiting for the blank and this isn't what was in my mind. Dims are 4'6" 22.75 1.75" belly in the nose to flat to single through the fins. Slight concave deck with fins set at 4" and 1/8" toe twin fin. I used the marko wake surf blank, I hadn't shaped EPS for quite awhile. I didn't listen to myself and take two shaping sessions to do what I wanted to do. Not sure where I stand with shaping now think I'll take a long break from it.
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Re: Can't help myself

Unread post by Pes78 » Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:37 am

A blank has been ordered.......

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Unread post by rodndtube » Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:58 am

Pes78 wrote:A blank has been ordered.......
Smile :)
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Unread post by Pes78 » Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:36 pm

Here's what we got going today. Need to rework the outline a bit because there are a couple issues in the nose and tail that I want to fix. Dims are right now 4' x 22" thickness about 1.5". Slight concave deck bottom is flat and I'll be having bonzer 3 fin side fins glassed on. Will update final dims tomorrow when I finish it up.
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Unread post by Pes78 » Sun Feb 04, 2018 7:26 pm

So the bottom was a bit messed up yesterday and I attempted to flatten it out today. Didn't feel like chasing things so it's a bit of belly with some double through the fins. Fins are set 4" off the tail and 2" off rail. Toed in .25" with 5 degrees cant. Redid the nose by cutting down the length 2".
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Unread post by rodndtube » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:09 pm

Looking forward to seeing the finned-up version.
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Unread post by jbw4600 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:39 pm

That should a good size for you PEZ.

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Re: Can't help myself

Unread post by Papa Paepo o » Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:51 am

Papa Paepo o wrote:Looks good, clean rockers. My boards are 1/2" thick but there's some rider's rides 3/8" thick. Thin boards are easier for control and maneuvers than thicker boards.
Aloha, I cut and shape boards that are 3/8" thick and of course easier to control and maneuvers than thick board.

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Unread post by Pes78 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:55 pm

Picked this up a couple weeks ago. Been pretty bad wave wise down here only had it out twice I think.
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Unread post by rodndtube » Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:21 pm

I think you will have fun on a lot of waves. Nice Cove Pad.
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Unread post by Pes78 » Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:11 pm

Had some decent waves Thursday morning caught a head high wave and I just flew down the line for about a 100 yds. Board held a line real good. Thanks Rod the cove pads are the best.

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Unread post by Pes78 » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:26 pm

So the last time I said I was taking a break from shaping I lasted 3 months. I'm thinking of shaping another board(I've lasted 8 months without shaping anything). I also like working with Tony who shaped my last board since he's not afraid of shaping things out of the box. I don't know what to do at this point because I really want to shape something that I really will be happy with. I wish I still had that single fin hull still but I put in a shop not to really sell just for storage because I didn't have room for it. Just need advice on what to do.

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Unread post by krusher74 » Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:04 am

Pes78 wrote:. Just need advice on what to do.

Its a good looking board, must fly with that wide tail.


Maybe if you give us a list of what it does not do well we could throw in some ideas of what we would do to that design to make it do those things better.

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Unread post by Pes78 » Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:58 pm

If your talking about the hull I didn't keep it long enough to really get a feel for it. I got one wave at Steamer lane on it and I felt out of control going up and down the face which I thought was because I didn't have a big enough fin. I was running a Greenough 7" 4A was going to get a 8 or 9. That was the only wave I really remember on it. My bonzer board trying to sell that one because the nose rocker is too low in the nose. If the wave gets steep I have pull up on the nose to keep from spraying water in front of me. I don't think I've kept a board longer than a year. I think part my problem is I have so many ideas in my head that I want to try them all and sometimes try to put multiple ideas into one board. On such short boards thats hard to do and I end up messing something up with out noticing until its glassed, thats when the flaws usually show up. I think my last two I went in the shaping room telling myself to keep it simple with a completely flat bottom but that not what I end up doing of course. :lol:

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Pes78 wrote:If your talking about the hull I didn't keep it long enough to really get a feel for it. I got one wave at Steamer lane on it and I felt out of control going up and down the face which I thought was because I didn't have a big enough fin. I was running a Greenough 7" 4A was going to get a 8 or 9. That was the only wave I really remember on it. My bonzer board trying to sell that one because the nose rocker is too low in the nose. If the wave gets steep I have pull up on the nose to keep from spraying water in front of me. I don't think I've kept a board longer than a year. I think part my problem is I have so many ideas in my head that I want to try them all and sometimes try to put multiple ideas into one board. On such short boards thats hard to do and I end up messing something up with out noticing until its glassed, thats when the flaws usually show up. I think my last two I went in the shaping room telling myself to keep it simple with a completely flat bottom but that not what I end up doing of course. :lol:
I was talking about every aspect of the board. :lol:

if your rolling the design dice every board then as you know hitting the jackpot will be long odds.

Is a fun process to keep making boards when you can afford to, but can be a bit of a kick in the balls when the first surf you feel "yep, this does not work!"

To be my usual broken record I ride finless, so when I hear "I didn't have a big enough fin" I feel that more than having a fin too small its more, your maybe not engaging the fin you have, from either it being on the wrong place on the board or you not positioned on the board to engage the fin. On every finned board I have tried i've had to be in a place on the board to engage the fin that feels the wrong place for engaging every other aspect of the board :? positioning fins is one aspect of board design i'm really happy I dont have to deal with as i feel it can probably destroy a board that otherwise very good.

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Unread post by GeoffreyLevens » Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:40 am

krusher74 wrote:To be my usual broken record I ride finless, so when I hear "I didn't have a big enough fin" I feel that more than having a fin too small its more, your maybe not engaging the fin you have, from either it being on the wrong place on the board or you not positioned on the board to engage the fin. On every finned board I have tried i've had to be in a place on the board to engage the fin that feels the wrong place for engaging every other aspect of the board :? positioning fins is one aspect of board design i'm really happy I dont have to deal with as i feel it can probably destroy a board that otherwise very good.
In late 60's to mid 70's I did tons of fin experimentation on stand-up boards. And my biggest take away was that tiny changes in fin shape/area distribution, total area, and placement can generate gigantic changes in how the board performed. Statistically, the fewer variables involved, the more likely you are to hit on a magic combination of them. And just the fin alone (and its placement) is huge bucket of variables.

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Unread post by krusher74 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:05 pm

GeoffreyLevens wrote:
krusher74 wrote:To be my usual broken record I ride finless, so when I hear "I didn't have a big enough fin" I feel that more than having a fin too small its more, your maybe not engaging the fin you have, from either it being on the wrong place on the board or you not positioned on the board to engage the fin. On every finned board I have tried i've had to be in a place on the board to engage the fin that feels the wrong place for engaging every other aspect of the board :? positioning fins is one aspect of board design i'm really happy I dont have to deal with as i feel it can probably destroy a board that otherwise very good.
In late 60's to mid 70's I did tons of fin experimentation on stand-up boards. And my biggest take away was that tiny changes in fin shape/area distribution, total area, and placement can generate gigantic changes in how the board performed. Statistically, the fewer variables involved, the more likely you are to hit on a magic combination of them. And just the fin alone (and its placement) is huge bucket of variables.
Most definitely, i'm glad that's one aspect I don't have to deal with. ;)

the main pivot point if i am correct is under the rear foot of the stand up surfer at the rear fin , where do you think it is for a prone rider. I know knee boarders have fin further forward and some drop knee body boarders have fins very far forward.
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Unread post by rodndtube » Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:35 pm

And the Vektor has the board designed to position the foot over the the fin with the foot forward and the trailing foot over the trailing fin.
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Unread post by Pes78 » Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:12 am

That's where I get caught up trying a couple ideas on each board. On my cork board there are a few times where I'm slip sliding around but at least I know its because I don't have the rail engaged. But once I do I'm good. I have a wood paipo on the way and it seems I have less to think about on the finless boards. Heck Roberts surfboards has a fin setup called the twonzer and I was thinking of trying that setup. But I doubt he'll give me the fin placement :lol: I think at this point I need to figure out what I'm going to do next shape another or have one shaped.

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