Are there any Commercial Paipos available on the market ?
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Re: Are there any Commercial Paipos available on the market
Why not draw the line here...
Every prone board is classed as a bodyboard
So UNglassed foam (soft foam-boogie) is a bodyboard but only a bodyboard.
Everything else is a paipo.
because the soft foam boards have a strict design shape that varies little - 60/40 rails , WP up front, flat outline across the nose.
Whereas paipos come in all religions.
So now unless a board is made to emulate the soft foam (boogie) shape, it can be called a paipo.
The paipo definition could be really tight but then few DIY or commercial boards would qualify to be relevant on this forum and thus less activity here...
So embrace the variables I say !!!!
Give us your poor-ly shaped
Give us you weak-ly glassed
give us your plastic, glass, wood and epoxy,
And give them a home right here !!!!!
Come on guys , we've got to work out where to draw the line or we look like old chooks fluffing around at a christening.
Every prone board is classed as a bodyboard
So UNglassed foam (soft foam-boogie) is a bodyboard but only a bodyboard.
Everything else is a paipo.
because the soft foam boards have a strict design shape that varies little - 60/40 rails , WP up front, flat outline across the nose.
Whereas paipos come in all religions.
So now unless a board is made to emulate the soft foam (boogie) shape, it can be called a paipo.
The paipo definition could be really tight but then few DIY or commercial boards would qualify to be relevant on this forum and thus less activity here...
So embrace the variables I say !!!!
Give us your poor-ly shaped
Give us you weak-ly glassed
give us your plastic, glass, wood and epoxy,
And give them a home right here !!!!!
Come on guys , we've got to work out where to draw the line or we look like old chooks fluffing around at a christening.
....the wetter.....the better.....
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Re: Are there any Commercial Paipos available on the market
For us Yanks.....
What is a "chook"?
And......
What is "fluffing around"
And......
Why would we be doing it at a christening?
What is a "chook"?
And......
What is "fluffing around"
And......
Why would we be doing it at a christening?
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Re: Are there any Commercial Paipos available on the market
"fluffing around" is the term used to describe how you SJB surf
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Re: Are there any Commercial Paipos available on the market
On one level, "chook" just refers to a chicken that is eaten, on another level it is slang for something disorganised. I don't think younger people go into a shop and ask for a "chook" much but phrases like a "chook with it's head cut off" remain in the vernacular. For anyone trying to learn English phrases like this must be a nightmare.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chook
http://www.famie.com/australia/australianslang2.htm
A chicken running around at a christening - an evocative scene from SF.
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chook
http://www.famie.com/australia/australianslang2.htm
A chicken running around at a christening - an evocative scene from SF.
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Re: Are there any Commercial Paipos available on the market
Ahhhh......so Spudnut is a chook. I get it now. Hey potato head.....FLUFF THIS!
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Old "chook" also applies to an older woman, a younger one being a "chick".
So 2 old chooks fluffing around would mean 2 mature ladies fiddling around with the potato salad, folding napkins and the like at a christening.
"Fluffing", on this occaisson, does NOT refer to the adult movie actor preparation technique common in that sphere of cinematography..... but we digress....
Can we get a concensus on the definition of 'paipo' ??
If we dont embrace modern times we risk losing new members who would keep the art and craft alive.
What say you all ??
So 2 old chooks fluffing around would mean 2 mature ladies fiddling around with the potato salad, folding napkins and the like at a christening.
"Fluffing", on this occaisson, does NOT refer to the adult movie actor preparation technique common in that sphere of cinematography..... but we digress....
Can we get a concensus on the definition of 'paipo' ??
If we dont embrace modern times we risk losing new members who would keep the art and craft alive.
What say you all ??
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Re: Are there any Commercial Paipos available on the market
To me, I have used 3 categories of prone vehicles:
1) bodyboard - sponge
2) bellyboard - foam & glass; buoyant
3) paipo - neutrally buoyant board that is not a sponge or mini surfboard
1) bodyboard - sponge
2) bellyboard - foam & glass; buoyant
3) paipo - neutrally buoyant board that is not a sponge or mini surfboard
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Ahh, I understand you 3 categories !spudnut wrote:To me, I have used 3 categories of prone vehicles:
1) bodyboard - sponge
2) bellyboard - foam & glass; buoyant
3) paipo - neutrally buoyant board that is not a sponge or mini surfboard
And if you exclude glass is resin excluded too?
And how about plastic?
....the wetter.....the better.....
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Not quite sure what you are saying?ULTIMATS wrote:Ahh, I understand you 3 categories !spudnut wrote:To me, I have used 3 categories of prone vehicles:
1) bodyboard - sponge
2) bellyboard - foam & glass; buoyant
3) paipo - neutrally buoyant board that is not a sponge or mini surfboard
And if you exclude glass is resin excluded too?
And how about plastic?
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spudnut wrote:To me, I have used 3 categories of prone vehicles:
1) bodyboard - sponge
2) bellyboard - foam & glass; buoyant
3) paipo - neutrally buoyant board that is not a sponge or mini surfboard
Not quite sure what you are saying?
Id like to have the term 'Paipo' cover a greater range of craft so that it covers EVERYthing thats (as you said)...not a sponge or a mini surfboard...
Id like Paipo to refer to all solid skin prone craft, be they wood, resin, glass, plastic or concrete !
So where you say youd call a foam and glass craft a belly board , Id like to call them a paipo as modern materials shouldnt be excluded from forwarding the basic design.
Im sure if the Ancient Hawaiian Kings had UV cure epoxy they'd be making paipos out of it.
Modern materials may not be the traditional materials but in the spirit of the design and for the progression of the sport and build-craft, all materials should be included, imho...
Except sponge. Because thats just wrong!!
....the wetter.....the better.....
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Re: Are there any Commercial Paipos available on the market
^^^This for sure, and category 3 should cover everything down to but not necessarily including handboards (although a two-handed one would definitely be in paipo territory.)spudnut wrote:To me, I have used 3 categories of prone vehicles:
1) bodyboard - sponge
2) bellyboard - foam & glass; buoyant
3) paipo - neutrally buoyant board that is not a sponge or mini surfboard
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Re: Are there any Commercial Paipos available on the market
Based upon what you are saying, paipo would include sponge! You just have a personal preference to not want to include itULTIMATS wrote:spudnut wrote:To me, I have used 3 categories of prone vehicles:
1) bodyboard - sponge
2) bellyboard - foam & glass; buoyant
3) paipo - neutrally buoyant board that is not a sponge or mini surfboard
Not quite sure what you are saying?
Id like to have the term 'Paipo' cover a greater range of craft so that it covers EVERYthing thats (as you said)...not a sponge or a mini surfboard...
Id like Paipo to refer to all solid skin prone craft, be they wood, resin, glass, plastic or concrete !
So where you say youd call a foam and glass craft a belly board , Id like to call them a paipo as modern materials shouldnt be excluded from forwarding the basic design.
Im sure if the Ancient Hawaiian Kings had UV cure epoxy they'd be making paipos out of it.
Modern materials may not be the traditional materials but in the spirit of the design and for the progression of the sport and build-craft, all materials should be included, imho...
Except sponge. Because thats just wrong!!
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There are somethings that are simply overcome by events. In the UK they call their wood boards "bellyboards" and used to call them "surfboards." This was true to a certain extent through out the lands of the former British empire.spudnut wrote:To me, I have used 3 categories of prone vehicles:
1) bodyboard - sponge
2) bellyboard - foam & glass; buoyant
3) paipo - neutrally buoyant board that is not a sponge or mini surfboard
Bodyboards include all manner of surf riding craft intended to be ridden prone. Popular usage also includes sponge craft ("boogie boards"). Another form of popular usage of such a term is xerox and photocopy (is that scanning?).
Paipo is the Hawaiian term used for describing surf riding craft intended to be ridden prone. Well... as the home page has stated for over a year now the term paipo came into written form in the mid-1950s and evolved during the subsequent ten years (both in spelling and what it describes). One school of thought in Hawaii these days is using the grammatical spelling form of paepo to mean wooden, finless prone riding craft (I am not sure what term is used to describe all the other forms of prone riding craft).
To remain "core" in using the old term for the meaning of finless wood surf riding boards for riding kipapa-style, one would use papa li`ili`i, in the same manner you would say riding an alaia or olo board. Those are boards anchored in time to describe types of board, such as we would bellyboard, shortboard and longboard today. Of course, using some of these terms would exclude an HPD from being called a paipo -- it would be a bellyboard.
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Bodyboard is a term invented by the marketing droids of the "action sports industry" to describe their knock offs (and improvements) of the Morey boogieboard.rodndtube wrote: Bodyboards include all manner of surf riding craft intended to be ridden prone.
Bodyboard = booger. Period.
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Sorry, but the term bodyboard pre-dates the invention of the boogie board by Tom Morey in 1971. However, you are correct that when somebody generically says "bodyboard" that they are referring to the boogie board style prone riding board.Paipo Jim wrote:Bodyboard is a term invented by the marketing droids of the "action sports industry" to describe their knock offs (and improvements) of the Morey boogieboard.rodndtube wrote: Bodyboards include all manner of surf riding craft intended to be ridden prone.
Bodyboard = booger. Period.
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Bullshit. I've been surfing since the 1950's and nobody used the term before the the boogie boom despite what authorities whom you might have talked to might have "recalled." And even if some dork in some obscure brochure or newspaper in some seaside resort in Western Australia actually put the word in print in 1928 you're still wrong.rodndtube wrote: Sorry, but the term bodyboard pre-dates the invention of the boogie board by Tom Morey in 1971.
Bodyboard = booger. Period.
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I don't think you need to use words like "bullshit" in this forum. This is just a friendly discussion.
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"Well, he's just an excitable boy"jbw4600 wrote:I don't think you need to use words like "bullshit" in this forum. This is just a friendly discussion.
"Excitable Boy"
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Well, he went down to dinner in his Sunday best
Excitable boy, they all said
And he rubbed the pot roast all over his chest
Excitable boy, they all said
He took in the four a.m. show at the Clark
Excitable boy, they all said
And he bit the usherette's leg in the dark
Excitable boy, they all said
Well, he's just an excitable boy
He took little Suzie to the Junior Prom
Excitable boy, they all said
And he raped her and killed her, then he took her home
Excitable boy, they all said
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After ten long years they let him out of the home
Excitable boy, they all said
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The term "bodyboard" has been around for quite some time.... at least before the invention of the boogie board, in 1971. Subsequent use of the term "bodyboard" was to work around trademark infringements. There are several references to body-board surfing in Hawaii, Tahiti, New Zealand and elsewhere in Oceania. [See: Finney, Ben R. 1959. Hawaiian surfing, a study of cultural change.]Paipo Jim wrote:Bullshit. I've been surfing since the 1950's and nobody used the term before the the boogie boom despite what authorities whom you might have talked to might have "recalled." And even if some dork in some obscure brochure or newspaper in some seaside resort in Western Australia actually put the word in print in 1928 you're still wrong.rodndtube wrote: Sorry, but the term bodyboard pre-dates the invention of the boogie board by Tom Morey in 1971.
Bodyboard = booger. Period.
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